Roundtable Discussion Between Independent Directors

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Q. What are your opinions with regard to Medium-Term Management Plan 2023, which concluded with the year ended March 31, 2024, and the newly announced Medium-Term Management Plan 2026?

Saiki
Sojitz accomplished all of the quantitative targets initially put forth by Medium-Term Management Plan 2023. The Company faced some difficulty in achieving its target of a price-to- book ratio (PBR) of 1.0 times or above but was even able to meet this target in March 2024, right before the end of the plan. Moreover, Sojitz succeeded in posting profit for the year of more than ¥100 billion for the first time in the year ended March 31, 2023, and then went on to record its highest profit to date for the second consecutive year in the year ended March 31, 2024. Even with the benefits of favorable market conditions, foreign exchange rates, and other external factors, I still think we should applaud Sojitz’s management for delivering a strong performance and achieving the Company’s quantitative targets. I also have praise for Sojitz’s aggressive stance toward growth investments, which were fueled by the massive improvement seen in cash flows. Conversely, I cannot say with full confidence that Sojitz was successful in building a stable earnings foundation as it had intended. In other words, although Sojitz was able to conduct growth investments totaling ¥450 billion, I feel that these investments are clearly lacking in terms of returns. I understand that some projects will require a significant amount of time before they can begin generating returns, and I hope that Sojitz will be able to expedite this process. One of the explanations the executive team has cited for this situation is delays in post-merger integration. I therefore think it will be important to examine whether management had an overly optimistic assessment of these investments so that any decision-making issues can be addressed going forward.

Shu
Not only was Sojitz able to accomplish all of its performance targets under the past medium-term management plan, it also succeeded in growing earnings from non-resource and other businesses that are resilient to market fluctuations, conducting more dynamic business investments, and boosting shareholder returns while also aggressively investing in growth. I therefore think Medium-Term Management Plan 2023 ended with excellent results from both a quantitative and qualitative perspective. At the same time, however, I must point out that Sojitz was unable to improve its stock price to the point that PBR can consistently remain above 1.0 times. I suspect that this is because the market’s expectations for the performance of general trading companies reached a particularly high level during the period of the past medium-term management plan. For a listed Japanese company, the average cost of capital is generally said to be between 5% and 10%. However, if Sojitz is to maintain a PBR of over 1.0 times, it will likely need to continue generating return on equity of between 10% and 20%. Many major trading companies already produce returns of this level. Given this reality, if Sojitz wants to be chosen by investors, it will not be enough to simply get its returns to this level; it will also need to find some unique benefit that only it can offer. This is why Sojitz cannot allow itself to be satisfied with its successes under Medium-Term Management Plan 2023. The Company must seek to reach even higher pinnacles.

Kameoka
I agree with both of you in that we should commend Sojitz for its ability to accomplish all of the numerical targets of Medium-Term Management Plan 2023. Another area worthy of praise is how the Company enhanced shareholder returns by raising dividend payments for all three years of the plan. In terms of issues that need to be addressed, I might point to the differences in earnings between divisions. Despite Sojitz having seven business divisions, more than 40% of total profit for the year comes from the Metals, Mineral Resources & Recycling Division.
The new plan, Medium-Term Management Plan 2026, calls on Sojitz to solidify its foundations in preparation for its advance toward its next stage, which will entail generating profit for the year of ¥200.0 billion by 2030. Doubling the current level of profit to accomplish this target will require that each division become capable of independently generating profit of at least ¥20.0 billion on its own. Sojitz has continued to develop its business through an approach of broadening and building on its operations. Under the next medium-term management plan, the Company will seek to further evolve its operations to link them and produce synergies. Accordingly, a central component of Medium-Term Management Plan 2026 will be to foster synergistic ties between different businesses in a manner that contributes to earnings in order to accelerate growth.

Saiki
Under Medium-Term Management Plan 2026, Sojitz will continue to work toward accomplishing its vision for 2030 of becoming a general trading company that constantly cultivates new businesses and human capital. The new plan also delineates Sojitz’s intent of achieving profit for the year of ¥200 billion and return on equity of more than 15% to reach its next stage in 2030. If Sojitz is to accomplish these goals, it will be crucial for the Company to build a foundation that can ensure consistently higher earnings and that comprises businesses in which Sojitz can boast strengths. This ties back to the insufficient returns that I spoke about in relation to Medium-Term Management Plan 2023, specifically in how Sojitz is faced with the pressing task of achieving both quantitative and qualitative improvements in the returns from its business investments. This will require the Company to steadily grow and advance its existing businesses by capitalizing on its competitive advantages. At the same time, Sojitz will need to boldly explore new business areas, countries, and regions based on the Company’s prior successes while continuously conducting asset replacement. There is a lot of discussion based on the idea of broadening, building upon, and synergistically linking businesses, and I will be paying close attention to whether or not this policy bears fruit. At the moment, the Sojitz growth story spoken of in Medium-Term Management Plan 2026 is merely an aspiration backed by the Company’s past performance.

  • Shu
    If Sojitz is to deliver an even higher performance under Medium-Term Management Plan 2026, it will need to develop operations in an increasingly wide range of niche fields that it can dominate by differentiating itself from competitors. As you both stated, Sojitz’s success during the period of the new medium-term management plan will hinge on whether or not the business investments conducted to broaden and build upon operations actually generate stable earnings. Fortunately, Sojitz can expect earnings contributions from its processed seafood product value chain in Japan and from its agriculture, food product, wholesale, and retail operations in other parts of Asia. Getting the best possible returns from a business investment requires that a company accurately assess the investment at the outset, improve performance after investing, and sometimes even pull out of the investment before its value passes its peak. This is why it is more important than ever for Sojitz to exercise superior management skills to improve the performance of the investments it has been conducting so aggressively up until now. Moreover, it will need to bolster the management teams of all of its divisions to ensure that they can effectively implement a PDCA (plan–do–check–act) cycle based on a big-picture view of investees’ supply chains and make quick course corrections when necessary. This will be imperative to the success of the new plan.

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Q. What will be necessary to create the Sojitz growth story defined in Medium-Term Management Plan 2026?

Kameoka
Sojitz was formed from the merger of Nissho Iwai Corporation and Nichimen Corporation. These companies undertook this merger in the midst of serious management crises, and Sojitz therefore found itself starting off with a poor balance sheet. Nevertheless, Sojitz has since been able to grow into a company that can generate profit for the year of ¥100 billion. This feat was accomplished through steady ongoing reforms to the structure of the Company’s balance sheet, which allowed Sojitz to continue to boost its earnings power. Moreover, this experience transformed the approaches of Sojitz employees, leading to an exhaustive emphasis on disciplined financial management. This financial discipline helped the Company heighten the profit margins of its trading businesses, despite facing more limitations than its rivals, while also creating businesses that functioned as new earnings sources. I believe that the employees who experienced this process of rehabilitating Sojitz from an incredibly low point in its history are now a source of strength for and an asset to the Company.
An important part of creating the Sojitz growth story will be to leverage Sojitz’s small scale in comparison to other general trading companies, in order to create and grow cross-divisional businesses that transcend the boundaries between different business divisions. I suspect that Sojitz will be able to develop distinct and unique businesses if it can capitalize on the benefits of digital transformation in order to take full advantage of the information and functions that are currently spread throughout the Company.

Shu
Sojitz has amassed some significant strengths, including a keen eye for business opportunities, a network that lends itself to collaborative relationships conducive to co-creation, conceptual skills for maximizing earnings, and a propensity for business management. However, these strengths are not unique to Sojitz and can also be found in its rivals. Meanwhile, there is a big gap between Sojitz and larger general trading companies, those with market capitalization of over ¥10 trillion, in terms of investment efficiency and risk-taking capacity. However, such large general trading companies might not prioritize the small and medium-sized companies of Japan, which represent a market segment where we are currently seeing ongoing reorganizations, and also one where I expect Sojitz can find many attractive business opportunities.
The source of the differentiation needed to win out in competition with other capable companies is dependent on the skills of a company’s employees and on the corporate culture that these employees shape. It is crucial that all Sojitz employees not only demonstrate superior skills and talent, but also operate with a shared commitment to delivering the best possible performance and with a sense of integrity that ensures they do not betray the trust of customers and colleagues. This, I believe, will be key to the ongoing improvement of Sojitz’s corporate value.

  • Saiki
    I agree with both of you. Sojitz is smaller than other general trading companies in terms of the size of its workforce. The Company has reframed this trait as a strength that allows it to be more flexible and hands on in its operations. I would like to see Sojitz make greater use of this strength. In other words, I want to see the Company take another look to determine whether it is actually being flexible as it drafts strategies and whether it is effectively managing investments in a hands-on manner.
    I also want to comment on Sojitz’s human resource strategies. Sojitz speaks of two types of value—value for Sojitz and value for society. In order to improve corporate value, it will be important for the Company to maximize these two types of value together with another type of value—value for all employees. Sojitz has recently introduced new human resource systems. In light of the introduction of these new systems, I feel it necessary to emphasize the importance of 1) employees fully understanding and accepting these new systems and 2) Sojitz continuing to be a rewarding workplace that motivates employees.

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Q. In 2024, Sojitz embarked on a massive undertaking to transform its corporate governance systems, which included the appointment of a new president and a change to the Company’s organizational structure. What was the background for these decisions and what are your thoughts regarding the future evolution of Sojitz’s corporate governance systems?

Saiki
Sojitz’s procedure for appointing a president involves an extended selection process with a final decision made only after observing candidates through different job rotations and training programs. The Nomination Committee did not decide the timing for the change in president ahead of time, but the members had been engaged in an ongoing series of discussions through which they looked at several candidates. During this process, the candidates underwent a number of job rotations to arm them with a wider range of experience and test them with heavier responsibilities. The Company also arranges intensive discussion sessions. The Independent Directors take part in these retreats, at which we have sought to assess the skills and personalities of the candidates. Division reports by business division COOs are also used as opportunities to more thoroughly assess candidates. In this manner, the president is not chosen through a one-time evaluation but, rather, through an ongoing assessment process. Moreover, unofficial forums are also arranged for us to talk with candidates and get a better idea of what type of person they are. In the end, the decision was made to appoint a new president after the conclusion of Medium-Term Management Plan 2023, which translated to April 2024. In conjunction with this decision, the final range of candidates was narrowed down, and the candidates were submitted to a series of interviews by members of the Nomination Committee. In October 2023, Kosuke Uemura was nominated from among the candidates, and the decision was reported to and approved by the Board of Directors.
Qualities that were cited as expected of the president included high moral standards, foresight, decisiveness, good health, resilience to stress, and a capacity for action and change. The discussions related to the next president were shaped by these qualities. Of course, it goes without saying that a president must also exhibit strong leadership, charisma, and individuality.
In his new position as president, Mr. Uemura is expected to be able to guide Sojitz toward its next stage even amidst the rapid and substantial changes seen both inside and outside of the Company. I am confident in the strength of Mr. Uemura’s foresight and capacity for change. However, no matter how important it is to be able to transform an organization, this pales in comparison to the importance of being able to transform oneself. I therefore want to see Mr. Uemura act as the new president by transforming Sojitz while also continuing to grow and transform himself in the process.

Kameoka
One year has passed since I was invited to be an Independent Director at Sojitz. Today, I recognize that Sojitz is making steady progress in enhancing its corporate governance systems. The Company has always utilized the results of evaluations of the effectiveness of the Board of Directors, and the ongoing improvements implemented each year based on these results have led to the progress I speak of. As a recent example, the evaluation conducted in the year ended March 31, 2023, led to the organization of individual meetings with the secretariat of the Board of Directors, sparking further discussion regarding potential areas for improvement.

  • Transparency is one of the most important factors behind the ability of Independent Directors to monitor management. Sojitz has taken a number of steps to make sure that the Board is able to effectively exercise its monitoring functions. These steps include the provision of opportunities to gain a more in-depth understanding of important management issues. For example, Sojitz holds meetings of the Finance & Investment Deliberation Council and intensive discussion sessions for the Executive Officers, which Independent Directors attend as observers. The Company also organizes Divisions’ Report Meetings at which business division COOs explain the initiatives of their respective divisions, a session for sharing information between the president and Independent Directors, and briefings held in advance of Board meetings.
    I participated in Board meetings as an Independent Director throughout the year ended March 31, 2024, and have felt that these meetings have been highly meaningful given the lively discussions that take place at the meetings as well as the briefings held prior. Furthermore, in the year ending March 31, 2025, Sojitz transitioned to the Company with Audit and Supervisory Committee structure as described in the Companies Act of Japan. This move allowed for greater delegation of important operational decision-making authority to Executive Directors, which is anticipated to contribute to increased speed and flexibility in decision-making. Amidst the rapid developments and changes seen around the world, this new structure will clearly benefit Sojitz, given that the Company develops operations across the globe. However, as this will be the Company’s first fiscal year operating under this new structure, it will be important for effective communication to be practiced among the Board of Directors in order to continue to increase the structure’s efficacy.

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Shu
One aspect of the transition to the Company with Audit and Supervisory Committee structure that I paid particular attention to was how to avoid discussions at Board meetings becoming overly routine given the expanded Board membership due to Audit and Supervisory Committee members also acting as Directors. At the same time, we must prevent a situation in which, in order to limit the increase in the number of Directors, the size of the Audit and Supervisory Committee is kept at a minimum, consequently weakening its auditing function. For this reason, the decision was made to limit the number of internal Audit and Supervisory Committee members to one, who will serve as the committee’s full-time chairperson, and to appoint three Independent Audit and Supervisory Committee members in order to ensure the committee has the objective perspectives it needs. Meanwhile, the position of Senior Auditor was established to coordinate with and support the Audit and Supervisory Committee and thereby contribute to a more robust auditing function. I am impressed with this unique and creative solution to the issue of expanding board membership that is commonly associated with the Company with Audit and Supervisory Committee structure.

Saiki
The goal of the transition to the Company with Audit and Supervisory Committee structure was to bolster the oversight function of the Board of Directors while expediting management decision-making. And, while this is more of my personal opinion, I feel that this move had significance in how it served as a reminder, to both internal and external stakeholders, of how Sojitz is a company that continuously evolves and changes. Sojitz is not a company that maintains the status quo just because there are no issues that are readily apparent. Rather, it is a company that constantly changes in pursuit of higher levels of greatness. One of the advantages of the Company with Audit and Supervisory Committee structure is generally stated to be how it is easier for overseas companies and investors to understand. I think it would be quite beneficial if this change allowed Sojitz to secure a greater amount of investments from overseas. Sojitz has also made its own adjustments to the structure through the establishment of new positions to support the Audit and Supervisory Committee in its duties. Coordination with the relevant organizations will be imperative to ensuring the effectiveness of this structure, and I want to actively engage in this process while maintaining a perspective centered on frontline operations.

Shu
Sojitz also recently revised a part of its executive remuneration systems. One thing that shaped these revisions was the belief that, among major environmental, social, and governance (ESG) concerns, decarbonization and human resources are factors with a particularly large influence on improvements to corporate value. It was thus decided to give these factors additional weight and to link remuneration to the accomplishment of emissions reduction targets set for each Scope as well as for the success of promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion and to heightening engagement among all employees. I believe that this was a good revision in that it made the remuneration systems more concrete and objective. Sojitz has already fulfilled a number of the formal requirements for governance systems, and governance reforms were therefore removed from the list of ESG evaluation criteria. However, this does not change the importance of ongoing improvements to governance systems. The Company therefore also chose to increase the weight placed on total shareholder return (TSR) among the key performance indicators used in its executive remuneration systems. The decision was in part based on the judgment that governance reforms would ultimately lead to improvements in Sojitz’s share price. Another focus of these revisions to executive remuneration systems was to align the interests of management with those of shareholders. Therefore, it was decided to reduce the portion of total remuneration accounted for by basic remuneration while increasing the portion represented by medium- to long-term performance-linked remuneration. Moreover, the weight of absolute profit figures, which are heavily influenced by market factors, was lowered in relation to medium- to long-term performance indicators, while the weight of TSR was increased. These were some of the major elements of the revision to executive remuneration systems. Just like its corporate governance systems, Sojitz’s executive remuneration systems are undergoing changes. It will therefore be important to continue to pursue improvements while implementing a PDCA cycle.

Kameoka
Lastly, I would like to state that Independent Directors are tasked with overseeing management on behalf of stakeholders, and we are thus expected to engage with shareholders and other investors and help them understand how they perceive a company from their independent standpoint. Sojitz is very proactive in conducting investor relations activities, and members of senior management thus have a lot of opportunities to speak with shareholders and other investors from Japan and overseas. Looking ahead, I think it will be important to supplement these activities by also making a concerted effort to address stakeholders’ requests with regard to information disclosure.

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